Oppo-inion: Which car company has the most complete performance line-up? 

"Carbon Fiber Sasquatch" (turbopumpkin) 09/19/2015 at 00:11 • Filed to: None

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Which car company ticks the most boxes in their line up? Volkswagen Auto Group doesn’t count simply because the individual marquees are encouraged to remain as much autonomy as possible. So in sticking with one marquee only, who gives the most variety for the enthusiast? If you could only have one for the rest of your life, who would you pick?

I’m torn between Mercedes and Ford.

Ford only really lacks an upper end in terms of line up (no S-class, SL, AMG-GT or anything really over $100K except the Ford GT)

Mercedes lacks a lower end though (no cheap fun like the ST’s, RS or Mustang) and most importantly no trucks.

Chevy and their badge siblings are close but Cadillac has become different enough that it is hard to put them in with the rest of the GM crew. GM also lacks a upper end in performance and nothing cheaper than a Camaro gets the SS treatment.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 09/19/2015 at 00:18

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You forgot the best Mercedes ever made:

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 09/19/2015 at 00:19

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As much as I hate to say this, it’s Audi. They currently make an S3, S4, S5, RS5, S6, S7, RS7, S8, TTS, R8, and SQ5.

bob and john > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 09/19/2015 at 00:19

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toyota?

they have the cheap shit, the big flaoty barge ( the avalon) a medium pick up, a big pick up, the FR-S (yea yea, it sold as a scion here, its a fucking yota)

they really only lack a crazy ass supercar

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 09/19/2015 at 00:24

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It is way more difficult than it should be to find a picture of multiple AMG models, you think Merc-AMG would be flaunting it at this point

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > bob and john 09/19/2015 at 00:25

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They lack the performance end completely, no hot hatch, no muscle car, no supra, etc. Plus no luxo grand touring car either

FromCanadaWithLove > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 09/19/2015 at 00:26

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Aston Martin. They only make RWD V12s and V8s. Pretty good, eh?

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 09/19/2015 at 00:27

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Ooh that’s a good one! They lack an SL and S coupe fighter but they make for it with the S3 actually being a reasonable price.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 09/19/2015 at 00:28

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The RCF is a more of a luxury GT car though.

Jcarr > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 09/19/2015 at 00:29

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FCA:

- Viper

- Hellcats (Challenger/Charger/Grand Cherokee)

- Ram Rebel and Power Wagon

- Wrangler

- Abarth

Bairclaw > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 09/19/2015 at 00:31

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Maybe in sheer volume ford might not be number one but I think they’re giving the enthusiasts pretty much exactly what we want with every car (and truck) so it's hard to argue against them.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > FromCanadaWithLove 09/19/2015 at 00:31

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If Aston Martin made a hot hatch or muscle car fighter I’d agree with you more.

Something like these

bob and john > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 09/19/2015 at 00:32

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was going to say this, but thought they woudl be too expensive.
also, no pick up truck

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 09/19/2015 at 00:33

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RCF is Lexus, no bridging sibling marquees

FromCanadaWithLove > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 09/19/2015 at 00:35

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Here’s your hatchback,

And here’s your muscle car (it’s their budget car, has a V8, RWD, manual, not much else),

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 09/19/2015 at 00:35

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Running the numbers in my head, they were the top. Some others have a decent mix, but nobody else has that many performance variants. The next closest is either Mercedes AMG or BMW (but their product line is such a train wreck that I can no longer spot distinct models).

If I was up for paying twice what I did for my car or getting on the lease hamster wheel, I’d be driving an S4...

FastIndy > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 09/19/2015 at 00:36

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I’d have to go with GM. I certainly don’t find their top end lacking. If you include the Vauxhall/Opel VXR’s that for whatever damn reason they don’t sell in the States, they’d have a complete lineup from

Fun cheap hatch - Sonic

Hot hatch - VXR’s

Muscly sports car - 6th gen Camaro

GT - Corvette Stingray, ATS Vsport, ATS-V, CTS-V

Track car - Camaro Z/28

Supercar - Corvette Z06

They’re missing a performance street truck, but I’m holding out. The Cheyenne concept was pretty cool:

The downside is that it’s not lifted enough to use as a tax-deductible trailer-hauler and mobile billboard for your lawn care company, bro.

bob and john > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 09/19/2015 at 00:37

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they have a hatch...maybe not hot.
and no supra YET.
but they have hybrids, minivans, body on frame SUvs and small SUV, (RAV4, highlander, land cruiser) pick ups, that weird venza thing (is it still made?) and the FRS.

No ONE company is going to have everything. but i think toyota comes the closest

Vicente Esteve > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 09/19/2015 at 00:38

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Why do you think it is the best Mercedes every made? I am sincerely curious.

boxrocket > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 09/19/2015 at 00:42

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Those look great. I want them all.

bob and john > FastIndy 09/19/2015 at 00:47

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only one mark. in other words, the vaxhaul and the caddis dont count

bob and john > Jcarr 09/19/2015 at 00:48

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single company, not a group

Wacko > FastIndy 09/19/2015 at 00:49

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You can add the SS to 4 GT.

bob and john > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 09/19/2015 at 00:49

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also, are you looking for most PERFORMANCE orientated line up, or most COMPLETE line up? not the same

FastIndy > bob and john 09/19/2015 at 00:56

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Right. So that’s

Fun cheap hatch - Sonic

Hot hatch - VXR’s

Muscly sports car - 6th gen Camaro

GT - Corvette Stingray, SS, ATS Vsport, ATS-V, CTS-V

Track car - Camaro Z/28

Supercar - Corvette Z06

Eh. I’ll still take Chevy. And I think it will only be a year or two until we see a truly hot version of the Sonic.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 09/19/2015 at 00:57

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You got it with Mercedes. A friend of mine likes to joke that Mercedes has 50 different models but he has no idea what any of them are. And almost every single one has an AMG variant.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Vicente Esteve 09/19/2015 at 01:06

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More of a joke, but it’s probably my favorite current MB right now due to it being completely bonkers and even more so pointless. Plus, most reviews make it sound like an older sudden death turbo car, which sounds fun.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 09/19/2015 at 01:08

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The R63 and GLA45 are proof that the Germans have a fun sense of humor.

wiffleballtony > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 09/19/2015 at 01:10

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I’m going to have to say Ford. Pretty much the only company with an enthusiast option in every category.

Short-throw Granny Shifter is 2 #blessed 2b stressed > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 09/19/2015 at 01:12

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I agree with Mercedes, their performance models run the gamut. Everything from the GLA to the SLS electric to the G-Wagon. Ford lacks true performance full size 4 door (outside of Australia at least). The SHO is cool though.

wiffleballtony > bob and john 09/19/2015 at 01:12

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This has to be a joke.

wiffleballtony > bob and john 09/19/2015 at 01:13

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Pretty sure performance is in the title.

wiffleballtony > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 09/19/2015 at 01:14

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Most of those cars feel like the same car in different sizes.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 09/19/2015 at 01:15

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Lol true. I guess. I still have a hard time picturing Germans with a sense of humor. As far as I know the only niche they’re missing is the crossover convertible segment, like a murano crosscab.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 09/19/2015 at 01:23

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I think the GLE63 makes up for that niche though.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 09/19/2015 at 01:25

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Except no convertible.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 09/19/2015 at 01:44

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It’s crazy and pointless enough though.

Svend > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 09/19/2015 at 01:51

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Ford doesn’t have an S Class but it does have (or rather very shortly will) the Mondeo (U.S. Fusion) Vignale which is a luxury spec of the Mondeo. With an eye on making a Kuga Vignale and a Galaxy (though more likely to be an S-Max rather than the Galaxy) Vignale.

https://vignale.ford.co.uk/en-GB/

So ye’, I think Ford take it really with cars going from Fiesta base model to GT by way of B-Max, Ecosport, Focus, C-Max, Kuga and Mondeo and for vans from Fiesta van to the large F750 truck.

pip bip - choose Corrour > Carbon Fiber Sasquatch 09/19/2015 at 06:42

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because Holden.

Vicente Esteve > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 09/19/2015 at 09:30

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It does sound fun.

Eric @ opposite-lock.com > Bairclaw 09/19/2015 at 09:42

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Can't disagree there. When they make performance cars, they aim them directly at enthusiasts...

bob and john > wiffleballtony 09/19/2015 at 09:59

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and then he continues to talk about no S-class from ford and no pick up from AMG.

wiffleballtony > bob and john 09/19/2015 at 11:16

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I wouldn’t consider the S class a perfromance vehicle. Plus Ford doesn’t really make amy thing that expensive anyway except the GT. But by the same token if that’s the game we want to play neither company has a Bugatti competitor.

Dusty Ventures > FastIndy 09/19/2015 at 11:27

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The Z06 is brilliant, but I don’t think I’d classify it as a supercar

bob and john > wiffleballtony 09/19/2015 at 11:33

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EXACTLY. so then why would OP mention the S-class in the body of the post?

wiffleballtony > bob and john 09/19/2015 at 12:08

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No idea the S class is ad performance as a Maybach.

Carbon Fiber Sasquatch > Dusty Ventures 09/20/2015 at 01:31

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It’s almost a new class of “Supercar Killers” It’s a conventional FMR RWD layout but it post better times than most exotic mid-engined cars.